Transcript from my interview for GloriaLanka’s brasilian blog you can find the original there http://slundergroundmagazine.blogspot.fr/2012/11/entrevista-djehan-kidd.html
GloriaLanka’s blog at http://ccyberpunkk.blogspot.com.br/
“What are your main sources of inspiration for your creative process?
Everything I see amazes me, anything around me, all the time.
It is all the moments of inspiration I had so far in my life that I feed my mind with constantly. It is very large, it is everything, all at once. It includes all the experiences and cultures I was exposed to during all that time. From the collection of thousands of books we had at home with every possible author available for me to read ;Philip K. Dick being my all time favorite; to my life traveling in a truck and living within international communities since I was 14 years old, without my parents, witnessing extreme social situations and sometimes being part of them.When it comes to creating I crystallize everything from the second I started to breath into what I do at any given moment, this only present moment that exists and matters: this is also Albert Camus’s theory of the absurd, but I don’t completely share his point of view because this present moment , no matter how chaotic, tends to something and this is futuristic by essence.
Creating futuristic and dystopian cities is the visual anticipation of a very special social environment of which roots I find laying a lot into social realism literature with writers such as Dostoievski or Gogol, and the start of the industrial era, it is easy to imagine a futuristic city when passing by a chemical plant.
I am of course very inspired by music as well, I listened mostly to avant garde musician Laurent Mialon who created Hangars Liquides back in 1998, his latest acousmatic tracks and work in progress for the realisation of this city. Music directly tweaks the way we perceive our physical and social environment. I believe there is no compromise in that example because honestly music , sound, is the only art that can make you cry that easy. I am also very inspired by Iannis Xenakis and I apply the stochastic theory into my work as well.
And finaly all the people I met, mostly artist, intellectuals, junkies, the ones that like to open doors in their minds..One especialy, when I used to live in Hackney/London, a living Bilal creature with a big heart.
I lived in various megapoles, the first and ultimately dystopian ever was Sao Paulo in Brasil and it deeply affected me. All the street culture all the kids in the streets. How inspirational they have been ever since, how they climb the concrete jungle, how they create their own signs only them can recognize and make graffitis with it, how they decorate their city, the city is their playground, it is theirs by principle of nature as society’s legacy to the next generation. They bring life to it they animate it , they give a meaning on everything around them, and they are the future. They climb very high to paint signs on the towers, not the roofs only lol, but on the whole vertical sides, people outside Brasil don’t know all of this. I think about these kids when I make a tower, I create them so they could climb them easily. There are a lot of improvised shelters as well, literaly everywhere. When you are not from Brasil, and you happen to cross eyes with one of them, they can be very young like 4 years old, it changes your life because they are little gods. I have a lifelong inspiration coming from a girl like that, now she must be 20 years old or something, I could draw her face right now and I pray she is alive.
We try to reach as high as possible, we like to go high, we don’t really care if an asteroid will come crash on us, it doesn’t stop us, because until now, we are alive, and that’s all that counts and looking forward to the future as long as there is still time ahead.
Within Hangars Liquides, which is the place or environment you created that you like the most?
The most interesting place within the city is the place You will find yourself at some point, this place will eventualy open a door in your mind, and this place in your mind is the most interesting one. I couldn’t point someone to go visit one special spot at hangars liquides, I can only recommend people to go and fly all over it, to go everywhere and try to see everything. That way only you can get what the city is about, and you can start to understand it.
It’s an immersive environment, a very complex one I agree, maybe the hardest to adapt to, but this is on purpose, dystopia isn’t about being taken care of and feeling secure, some like it, some don’t, I get extreme reactions from pure love to true hate. Of course it has many hangouts, like any city would, I simulated a lot of places that cities usualy have. The main simulator has a taxi that you can call to go in a lot of places and a teleport system. Both were made by my friend Rogier Qunhua of cell, it allows everyone to go visit a lot of places in town, art galleries, bars, all these places where made with a story behind. But the whole city is a huge playground.
Long ago, before fully getting into 3D I was into abstract art and video. When I create one special “concrete” place within the city I always think about the bigger shape which is my main object. It is a strange feeling to create tiny details on a huge structure.
When I build it my favorite parts are complex knots to resolve. This way I find new possibilities that would otherwise remain always hidden within unresolved structs, very much like psychotherapy works. But the whole city is the only place, if you look at it from very far it starts to look like a giant crystal like those you would find hidden in a mountain, this is an aspect that I like, it tweaks the sense of scale.
Which graphics developers do you admire SL and RL?
On SL I admire great people. Like Blotto Epsilon obviously who did the huge Petrovski Flux with Cutea Benelli, it even inspired me at some point, the connectivity aspect I think. The Wastelands world that was created by Neobokrug Elytis with the wastelands dev team. Aston Leisen who did the Bamboo Ink for China and organized most the China Art Academy projects on SL and he was also one of the first builders I built HL with at the start, HL was very honored to provide an environment for his students to work on their new media projects as well. Detect Surface, Claudia222 Jewell, Xenius Revere, DH Architect, Gutterblood Spoonhammer, Mantis Oh…I am extremely selective when it comes to mentionning artists on SL.
RL I love the crazyness of Shinya Tsukamoto, the onirism in Akira Kurosawa and Andrei Tarkovski, the strange x-factor found in David Cronenberg’s work, Jean Pierre Jeunet and Marc Caro’s color palette, Gaspar Noé’s fleshy realism, Enki Bilal’s blues, Matthew Barney’s Cremaster, Joseph Beuys’s rooms, Francis Bacon’s distorted realities, the never ending landscapes of Tsutomu Nihei, gore, weird things, the strange things…the list…is way too long when it comes to what I like, out of the billions of humans a lot of them are very talented an exhaustive list is impossible..I forgot to mention Syd Mead & Ridley Scott for Bladerunner, Ranxerox comic, Fluide Glacial magazines, the Akira manga, Pierre Soulages paintings, and so much more realisations as well..Alexandre Aja’s movies, Alain Resnais, Chris Marker of course.. the list goes on..Everytime I go into a museum be it for contemporary or more classical arts I always find something that I like. The entire world is bursting with new creations non stop it’s all inspiring.
What is your opinion about the Second Life metaverse?
I like the wild west aspect of the platform. The software provided is a great tool for artists to exhibit their creations to immerse people in them.
Though, Linden Lab should reconsider the social aspects of their platform as in *Socius*. This january they will stop to consider Hangars Liquides a non profit organization of which corporate status is “to create, promote and diffuse any kind of art”. When you find yourself in a society that revokes such organizations it slowly becomes an antisocial environment. It forces artists to think and create on a smaller scale because they need to make more money and true art is priceless.
Linden Lab also has to consider avant garde more, and better. I feel alone into this with a few others, avant garde artists aren’t emerging a lot from what I see.
But overall, the software is great since it allows me to create a wormhole into the future..through another dimension even, they should have called it Black Hole.
What is your opinion on copybot?
It should be a great tool used for backing up their work for artists like me. Unfortunately it is used in such a malicious way that I would have to use illegal software in order to save my work on my HDD.
Still, while ripping off politicians to give their money back to the people should be a noble cause, I don’t think that ripping off artists is an act of bravery at all. I would like to tell all copyboters to join the online forces to fight against the system that ruins so many lives and not being part of this same system by ruining the life of the individual and often poor artist.
It is a very hard question. Culture is part of education, and it is an emergency to provide a good and free education to the next generations, hence a maximum access to culture. This is a key element to save the world from poverty as well. So I think that people that want to get digital things for free have to consider wether or not the product they are about to rip is to elevate their soul which is what culture does, or to elevate their social appearance which is what consumerism does, and consumerism provides with a quick fix to make people fall asleep and be dependant. So even if you get things for free and that it fullfills your consumerist need for a moment, it will make you fall asleep and dependant.
Besides the creations developed in Second Life, you have other jobs?
Right now Im working on a project that will be presented at the Venice Biennale.
How do you see the current graph scene for the developer ?
I spend too much time building to have a clear idea about the scene as it could be seen by the people outside from it. Anyways there’s not much of a scene at the cutting edge, we always need new hacks to happen in order to make what we want possible, then others can follow in and organize themselves better on a social scale with happenings and events et caetera. But for the ones that pave the ways, there’s not much of a scene. I see that we need hackers to help push boundaries and provide us with new tools that shouldn’t be proprietary so anyone can use them without any fear of going further and breaking into new territories. My graphical work at the stage it is now is totaly dependant on new hacks that are being worked on right now. It is a very fragile equilibrium yet it works because of a common wish to get to a new world with enlarged possibilities at every level, but this starts by creating state of the art tools to be used by artists to widen global consciousness at first through art.”
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“life 2.0″ movie poster shot at hangars liquides, how cool is that check out the teaser on our main blog, and visit http://www.life2movie.com/
14 march 2010
Im building a monster, it’s mutating, it’s changing, you never really know what it is, how it works, where it leads, it just gets you lost in its guts, swallowing you a la lovecraft.
some people have an idealistic view of what the world should be, these people sometimes die because they just cannot cope anymore with all the bullshit around. My mother was a law expert and she knew how justice worked, she decided to kill herself.
Chose your camp, resist, this way you will be able to face your death when your time finaly comes.
Well so I moved IRL, back to the dark cypunk city that is Toulon, the city of experimental humans making babies, hello there I am, what a result, a cyberpunk city builder..
There I am in this flat, with this floor made out of pieces of destroyed buildings from WW2, this floor that made me realize I was living in a place where people had to raise buildings in a state of emergency, this is what it takes to realize such a thing, to live in it, to have your grandma telling you about it.
What am I gonna do : “Very far gone, in Toulon. Eating, excreting, and masturbating were the best he could” (neuromancer - william gibson)
Never red Gibson before, someone told me in SL to read about it because obviously legend is, I have to admit the french translation SUX BIG TIME since I was able to read it in english and that it has nothing to do with the french version in terms of familiar language/slang exchanges, William Gibson, please, make it translated again, and if the result is the same, make it a movie, here’s a good reason isn’t it…maybe ask a drunken punk to do this, many of them french punks in london with fluent english…french language CAN handle this. Anyways, such a master deserves, deserves.
Cyberpunk will die the day Id be living in one of these cities, and I don’t recall seeing it somewhere yet, even tho they said it was more of a “near future” environment..oh… wait… Im building it, Oo …
And Philip k. Dick, what a tortured dead legend, big up man, you made it dead. How does it feel to be able to act like a smart ass VIP in your tomb mate? I love you.
I need to place this text somewhere here is a temp place (SEPT 2009 omg):
These texts here, about the cities I’ve lived in, some litterature, some mental images, all around what inspires this sim
I grew up in Toulon, an old military harbour that was almost totally destroyed during WW2. I remember when my grand mother was telling me that the building she was living in was made out of the remains from the war, the floor was made of tiny little pieces of concrete all sticked together and the architecture itself was minimal because at the time it was constructed people had to get new homes quickly.
Toulon is not a touristic town, people don’t really like it, you may see some charming postal cards here and there but inside the city it is just concrete and minimal, old, not very attractive buildings from the 50s that were made in a state of emergency.
Places that belong to the army are closed, windows are filled with bricks, old army boats smell like rust.
We have a place that we call Chicago, this might sound funny to some, that is were you can find prostitutes for the sailors, small bars with little neons showing a girl with a stetson hat, old army gear shops that we call “stock Americain”, little bars with no decoration and screaming arabic music. Oh yes I forgot that many people don’t like Toulon for one reason, it is because the highway litteraly goes through it too…
I leaved France when I was 14 years old and I arrived in Sao Paolo, Brazil, I was thrilled by this city which at that time was the biggest skyline in the whole world. I remember the praza republica where jungle trees were growing in the midst of huge concrete buildings, not really the glassy buildings everyone knows, just concrete and dark windows. I clearly remember that these concrete buildings were looking much more futuristic then the glassy ones, figure it out, it was just a feeling I had. I already didn’t imagined a glossy future for our civilization, things were dark, materials would not be all shiny and smooth but dirty and hurting the one who would try to rub against it..
One day I went to a harbour, it was a ghost town, only miserable people lived under bridges, old and huge cranes, rust, no windows, darkness, the highway was running above the houses…I think this was in Rio but I don’t remember clearly.
Then Paris for 2 years.
When I turn 18 I got a boyfriend and we decided to live in a truck, a Dodge 50 series that came from the British Telecom group, we visited many european cities, I remember Torino, an industrial town from northern Italy.
One day we broke our gearbox so we had no choice but go to London to try to find a new one, this was 80 kilos, buses were closing their doors in front of us, we had no money, so we had to pull the gearbox to a friend’s flat, this friend we had was so generous we could stay at his flat for months, and finally we decided to sell the truck and stay in London.
We rapidly had to move to another place after because the flat was sold, so we moved into a closed “council house”, also known as a squat, drugs everywhere, once I was sitting in a kitchen of which walls were all covered by old world maps, ketamine was boiling in rose water, this was a house William Burroughs squatted before, you just could smell it. So I stayed in London for 3 and a half years, going from squat to squat, old factories and town houses, squat parties, drug heads, I have to admit, in fact, some of the sweetest people in the world…
With some friends we were playing records on turntables and I remember hearing the first hangars liquides, this was the music I wanted to hear in this kind of pre apocalytic industrial life I had, a music to let yourself go into chaos, a kind of spiritual guide in this crazy life.
Then Sydney, I was tired of all this greyness, this low sky, the fog, this rain all the time and London in general.
So I arrived in Sydney Australia, here I was in the shiny sugar city of the down under.
Sydney is full of sugar, it’s like a big american birthday cake. Everything is shiny and nice and clean.
The part I really loved was Chinatown…I remember on Sydney’s main avenue, there was Australia New Zealand Bank headquarters of some sort, 2 huge sculptures of chinese dragons on each side of the main entrance, this was a powerful sign, China uses powerful signs that other countries can only contemplate.
HANGARS LIQUIDES SIM——————–
My first computer was an atari 800 XL I was about 5 or 6, and I used to type in basic programs to be able to play games. It was really good later on to discover something else then these games.
Later on I was reading these kind of erotic/thriller/cyberpunk comic books my bro had in his room, man I will always remember the day I discovered RANK XEROX, I was 8 to 10 I didn’t really understood that he was a robot dating a 14 years old you know, but I remember one drawing, punks were all gathering together into a public space with some concrete stairs around them, a bit like an amphitheatre. This picture gave me my very first cyberpunk vision ever. From this day on I would always be attracted to that kind of things.
AH, my bro’s bedroom, there around the same period in my short life I discovered Lovecraft’s fan novels, one especially about a museum and its statues de cire, Lovecraft’s terrifying deep sea like monsters, and then Blade Runner, and one episode of the twilight zone (the 80’s episodes) taking place in a humid and dirty dark city where the main character would go into an asian restaurant to order the chef’s special (just like in Cronenberg’s ExistenZ)…These kind of works made me realize something weird was going on with Asia, something I would always be fascinated with, this kind of mutant exotic oceanlife feeding the largest country in the whole world, octopus maybe(such an intelligent being you’d be suprised), mutant fishes for sure.
Leaving home and parents very early I was lucky enough to have my first trip I was only 15, oh then the naked lunch appeared in my life and again I realized something was going on in China, well, at least as Cronenberg made me feel it, these giant milky half submarine monsters could only be from China, and I knew there would be Asia…somewhere, always.
Flashforward to last year I was reading all Azimov’s foundation where the ceiling of the spatioport is so high you can’t see it, but clouds. All his robots stories, all the “before foundation” cycle, that I didn’t finish…
One idea coming out from this, ceilings so high.
Then Gibson ….
Then Stephenson, man this was the kind of writting, that i couldn’t keep on reading too much (like Christine Angot did to me), but from the dozens of pages I red one idea of course this huge boulevard.
High invisible ceilings(Azimov) and of course, a glorious mutant oceanlife as food (Asia/drugs/burroughs/harbours) in an anarchic/rich/miserable/concrete/whatever architecture.
HL welcomes Camerone Vestel from DIVE inc, redstorm corp simulator////
oh what? you said a sim merge? //// STAY TUNED
Here we are, working on HL simulator V2—– Welcome to code junkie Blotto Epsilon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^:
Big up to Mantis Oh @ sound architect @ Hybrid prods 2008 :
From the Hybrid Productions HPX19 Lost And Found by Robert Leiner aka The Source Experience. Music Fraps Video made in Second Life (at MSS Mirage Spacestation & Hangars Liquides - acknowledgements :D)
V1 is gone, this new sim will have rental spaces such as conurbs and galleries and or shops, we’re considering light RP, then hopefully I will add a new sim next to it and expand the perspective Expect new buildings from the original crew in the near future !
Follow the link provided to find out about the crew and the story behind this brilliant machinima you can watch below.
“Loss to body” Machinima - visit the “Loss to body” website
-shot at the HL sim V1 in 2008-
HL sim V1 developpers :
Aston Leisen - builder
Rogier Qunhua - coder
Slade Onizuka - builder
Hern Worlsey -builder
I7o Zhu - video
Bucephale Merlin - sound
Djehan Kidd - builder
Hangars Liquides leaves insilico and the picture says it all:
hangars liquides on your right, zizicoco on your left…
well, to begin with, HL was litteraly dwarfing its neighbour..and then
something like 2 weeks after I placed my sim neighbouring yours, I saw my builds in yours… I thought I accidentaly placed my prims in your sim so I selected them to delete them, but then I saw they had you as a creator. Since then you seem to be enjoying placing my concepts all around your dwarf of a city phuc. I was expecting a little more ‘imagination’ you know. And then some friend told me you did these lame things there, how ridiculous is this:
COPYBOT GALORE AT ZIZICOCO:
COPYBOTED BUILDING DESIGNS STILL DISPLAYED AT ZIZICOCO SIMS:
COPYBOTED JC HILL DESIGNS THAT GOT SKILLS HAK REPORTED WITH A DMCA:
ORIGINAL CHAIR DESIGN THAT GOT COPYBOTED BY SKILLS HAX AKA SKILLS HAK :
THE COPYBOTED VERSION OF THE CHAIRS:
SKILLS HAK PUTS HER INSILICO LOGO ON THE DESIGNS SHE COPYBOTED/STOLE FROM JC HILL:
buy yourself a pair of glasses if you’re experiencing troubles seeing the pictures above//
I don’t want to support anyone with that kind of attitude that I call stupid and brainless. Im not affiliated with the kind of builders using prefabs to populate their “builds” and lamely linking it to a last prim of theirs to make noobs believe they made it all, seriously…