HL owns a simulator on the metaverse called Second Life.

january 2010

just a quick sign, omg there’s this thing out there called web 2.0 and it’s totally bi dimensional it’s even scary. I know web 3D will not be called web 3.0, I think my sources are damn right anyways, but who cares, you? yes you. so what, yes still in Toulon, winter is very long this year it’s exhausting but Ive been producing non stop and Im very proud to say Ive almost become a robot with a mind when it comes to gfx. well what else, I stop smoking that damn too expensive thing and I need to save money for Usefull things so yes, right at this precise moment I DON’T SMOKE.
hum and to finish with this 2D thingy here Id like to tell you all that the fire of the big bang is on our bottoms so anyone on the verge with a nervous breakdown think about it.

sept 09:

This last month has been a waste of time I couldn’t work and build my city, but I have to admit this skyline has become the best of the whole metaverse. I think a lot about new comers, kids coming and building new cities that will look better then HL, I like to think about it cuz I know I will work my ass off to make mine look better then theirs, then, but this is the usual kinda race to the highest skyscrapers in the whole world kinda competition isn’t it.

Well so I moved IRL, back to the dark cypunk city that is Toulon, the city of experimental humans making babies, hello there I am, what a result, a cyberpunk city builder..

There I am in this flat, with this floor made out of pieces of destroyed buildings from WW2, this floor that made me realize I was living in a place where people had to raise buildings in a state of emergency, this is what it takes to realize such a thing, to live in it, to have your grandma telling you about it.

What am I gonna do : “Very far gone, in Toulon. Eating, excreting, and masturbating were the best he could” (neuromancer - william gibson)

Never read Gibson before, someone told me in SL to read about it, I have to admit the french translation SUX BIG TIME since I was able to read it in english and that it has nothing to do with the french version in terms of X FACTOR, William Gibson, please, make it translated again, and if the result is the same, make it a movie, here’s a good reason isn’t it…

Cyberpunk will die the day Id be living in one of these cities, and I don’t recall seeing it somewhere yet, even tho they said it was more of a “near future” environment..oh… wait… Im building it, Oo …

I wanna make it clear my original fave writer is Philip k. Dick, what a tortured dead legend, big up man, you made it dead. How does it feel to be able to act like a smart ass VIP in your tomb mate? I love you.

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I need to place this text somewhere here is a temp place (SEPT 2009 omg):

august/september 2008///

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These texts here, about the cities I’ve lived in, some litterature, some mental images, all around what inspires this sim

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I grew up in Toulon, an old military harbour that was almost totally destroyed during WW2. I remember when my grand mother was telling me that the building she was living in was made out of the remains from the war, the floor was made of tiny little pieces of concrete all sticked together and the architecture itself was minimal because at the time it was constructed people had to get new homes quickly.
Toulon is not a touristic town, people don’t really like it, you may see some charming postal cards here and there but inside the city it is just concrete and minimal, old, not very attractive buildings from the 50s that were made in a state of emergency.
Places that belong to the army are closed, windows are filled with bricks, old army boats smell like rust.
We have a place that we call Chicago, this might sound funny to some, that is were you can find prostitutes for the sailors, small bars with little neons showing a girl with a stetson hat, old army gear shops that we call “stock Americain”, little bars with no decoration and screaming arabic music. Oh yes I forgot that many people don’t like Toulon for one reason, it is because the highway litteraly goes through it too…

I leaved France when I was 14 years old and I arrived in Sao Paolo, Brazil, I was thrilled by this city which at that time was the biggest skyline in the whole world. I remember the praza republica where jungle trees were growing in the midst of huge concrete buildings, not really the glassy buildings everyone knows, just concrete and dark windows. I clearly remember that these concrete buildings were looking much more futuristic then the glassy ones, figure it out, it was just a feeling I had. I already didn’t imagined a glossy future for our civilization, things were dark, materials would not be all shiny and smooth but dirty and hurting the one who would try to rub against it..
One day I went to a harbour, it was a ghost town, only miserable people lived under bridges, old and huge cranes, rust, no windows, darkness, the highway was running above the houses…I think this was in Rio but I don’t remember clearly.

Then Paris for 2 years.

When I turn 18 I got a boyfriend and we decided to live in a truck, a Dodge 50 series that came from the British Telecom group, we visited many european cities, I remember Torino, an industrial town from northern Italy.
One day we broke our gearbox so we had no choice but go to London to try to find a new one, this was 80 kilos, buses were closing their doors in front of us, we had no money, so we had to pull the gearbox to a friend’s flat, this friend we had was so generous we could stay at his flat for months, and finally we decided to sell the truck and stay in London.
We rapidly had to move to another place after because the flat was sold, so we moved into a closed “council house”, also known as a squat, drugs everywhere, once I was sitting in a kitchen of which walls were all covered by old world maps, ketamine was boiling in rose water, this was a house William Burroughs squatted before, you just could smell it. So I stayed in London for 3 and a half years, going from squat to squat, old factories and town houses, squat parties, drug heads, I have to admit, in fact, some of the sweetest people in the world…
With some friends we were playing records on turntables and I remember hearing the first hangars liquides, this was the music I wanted to hear in this kind of pre apocalytic industrial life I had, a music to let yourself go into chaos, a kind of spiritual guide in this crazy life.

Then Sydney, I was tired of all this greyness, this low sky, the fog, this rain all the time and London in general.
So I arrived in Sydney Australia, here I was in the shiny sugar city of the down under.
Sydney is full of sugar, it’s like a big american birthday cake. Everything is shiny and nice and clean.
The part I really loved was Chinatown…I remember on Sydney’s main avenue, there was Australia New Zealand Bank headquarters of some sort, 2 huge sculptures of chinese dragons on each side of the main entrance, this was a powerful sign, China uses powerful signs that other countries can only contemplate.

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My first computer was an atari 800 XL I was about 5 or 6, and I used to type in basic programs to be able to play games. It was really good later on to discover something else then these games.
RUN

Later on I was reading these kind of erotic/thriller/cyberpunk comic books my bro had in his room, man I will always remember the day I discovered RANK XEROX, I was 8 to 10 I didn’t really understood that he was a robot dating a 14 years old you know, but I remember one drawing, punks were all gathering together into a public space with some concrete stairs around them, a bit like an amphitheatre. This picture gave me my very first cyberpunk vision ever. From this day on I would always be attracted to that kind of things.
AH, my bro’s bedroom, there around the same period in my short life I discovered Lovecraft’s fan novels, one especially about a museum and its statues de cire, Lovecraft’s terrifying deep sea like monsters, and then Blade Runner, and one episode of the twilight zone (the 80’s episodes) taking place in a humid and dirty dark city where the main character would go into an asian restaurant to order the chef’s special (just like in Cronenberg’s ExistenZ)…These kind of works made me realize something weird was going on with Asia, something I would always be fascinated with, this kind of mutant exotic oceanlife feeding the largest country in the whole world, octopus maybe(such an intelligent being you’d be suprised), mutant fishes for sure.

Leaving home and parents very early I was lucky enough to have my first trip I was only 15, oh then the naked lunch appeared in my life and again I realized something was going on in China, well, at least as Cronenberg made me feel it, these giant milky half submarine monsters could only be from China, and I knew there would be Asia…somewhere, always.

Flashforward to last year I was reading all Azimov’s foundation where the ceiling of the spatioport is so high you can’t see it, but clouds. All his robots stories, all the “before foundation” cycle, that I didn’t finish…
One idea coming out from this, ceilings so high.
Then Gibson …. nothing to say about Gibson.
Then Stephenson, man this was the kind of writting, a bit like Gibson (my feeling) that i couldn’t keep on reading too much (like Christine Angot did to me), but from the dozens of pages I red one idea of course this huge boulevard.

High invisible ceilings(Azimov) in a huge boulevard (Stephenson) with a mutant oceanlife as food (Asia/drugs/burroughs/harbours) in an anarchic/rich/miserable/concrete/whatever architecture.

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HL welcomes Camerone Vestel////
oh what? you said a sim merge? //// STAY TUNED

Here we are, working on HL simulator V2—– Welcome to code junkie Blotto Epsilon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^:

Big up to Mantis Oh @ sound architect @ Hybrid prods 2008 :

From the Hybrid Productions HPX19 Lost And Found by Robert Leiner aka The Source Experience. Music Fraps Video made in Second Life (at MSS Mirage Spacestation & Hangars Liquides - acknowledgements :D)

V1 is gone, this new sim will have rental spaces such as conurbs and galleries and or shops, we’re considering light RP, then hopefully I will add a new sim next to it and expand the perspective Expect new buildings from the original crew in the near future !

Follow the link provided to find out about the crew and the story behind this brilliant machinima you can watch below.

“Loss to body” Machinima - visit the “Loss to body” website
-shot at the HL sim V1 in 2008-

HL sim V1 developpers :

Aston Leisen - builder
Rogier Qunhua - coder
Slade Onizuka - builder
Hern Worlsey -builder
I7o Zhu - video
Bucephale Merlin - sound
Djehan Kidd - builder

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We have to leave this somewhere on our website, so until we find another solution, and because too much devs are getting copyboted…

Hangars Liquides leaves insilico and the picture says it all:

hangars liquides on your right, insilico on your left…………………………..

HL leaves insilico.
Skills Hak used the avatar Skills HaX to copybot people including JC Hill, below are the links to some of the numerous images we have showing the copyboted items :

copybot galore at insilico :http://img34.imageshack.us/i/skillshakcopybotspeople.jpg/

copyboted building designs still displayed at insilico sims : http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7110/skillshakcopieddesigns.jpg
copyboted JC Hill designs that got her into troubles : http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/2934/skillshakisacopyboter.jpg
original chair design that got copyboted by skills hax aka skills hak :http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6603/originaldesignjchill.jpg
the copyboted version of the chairs : http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/7914/skillshakcopybotedthis.jpg

Skills hak put her logo on the designs she copyboted/stole from JC Hill:http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/8795/copybotinsilico.jpg
the shop where skills hak copyboted items from JC Hill : http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/6162/skillshakcopiesdesigner.jpg

Skills Hax account was banned from LL, here is Skill’s friend trying to get JC Hill (who she copyboted several items) to not fill a DMCA report against her:
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[9:53] Eric Commons: Hello. I’m a repeat customer of yours but also a friend of Skills Hax. I’ve just heard that you’ve had a dispute with her about copying a gun barrel of yours. Thats a pretty serious accusation and horrible punishment that she’s recieved if everything I’ve head is true. Would you be willing to share your side of the story before I write to Linden Labs in her defense?
[9:54] Eric Commons: sorry for the typo, meant to say “everything I’ve heard…”
[9:54] JC Hill: sure
[9:54] JC Hill: one sec
[9:54] JC Hill: this is a pic of his guns and mine
[9:55] JC Hill: when you separte them from mine they are identicle
[9:55] JC Hill: noone can be that accurate unless you used a cobybot
[9:55] JC Hill: as well as my table and chair is a direst replica
[9:55] JC Hill: cobybot
[9:55] Eric Commons: Did you talk to him/her about it before reporting them to LL?
[9:56] JC Hill: did he report to me that he stole my work
[9:56] JC Hill: you are asking me to be understanding of someone stealing my hard work
[9:56] Eric Commons: The table she claims was replicated to change the texture so it would fit in that environment, after buying a copy from you, and isn’t reselling it.
[9:57] Eric Commons: i’m not asking you to understand that at all, i’m just trying to get an even sided view of the situation.
[9:57] JC Hill: yeah you cant do that in SL
[9:57] JC Hill: i played it cool while i was talking to him to get as much info as i could
[9:57] JC Hill: but in all fairness let not point the fingure to my actions as they are just
[9:58] JC Hill: the person that is responsible is skill hax
[9:58] JC Hill: im concidersing a DMAC suit
[10:00] Eric Commons: Skills already told me about that. She’s being very open about it and is obviously sorry. I think you might want to consider taking her up on her apology though instead of starting a lengthy copyright dispute with someone in Germany. Especially when you have a replica of a popular anime motorcycle for sale in your shop.
[10:01] JC Hill: oh that didnt help you
[10:01] JC Hill: by all means
[10:01] JC Hill: lets rumble
[10:01] Eric Commons: you’re overreacting.
[10:01] JC Hill: not at all
[10:01] JC Hill: im here minding my own business designing
[10:02] JC Hill: you want to threatened me with the Kira bike
[10:03] JC Hill: look …. if we wereall to use a cobybot simply because we didnt have mod texture rights we might as well all copy everything
[10:04] JC Hill: and we can all copy eachothers things and say sorry when we are caught but seriously come on
[10:04] JC Hill: let one go and they all get in line
[10:04] JC Hill: the chair was sold for 50l
[10:05] JC Hill: i mean seriously
[10:05] JC Hill: you want me to change the colour i will but dont steal my hard work
[10:05] JC Hill: i do custom mod ffor free for people
[10:05] JC Hill: im very reasonable
[10:06] Eric Commons: I’ve spent thousands of L in your shop and appreciate your design skill, but to get someone banned and threaten a DMCA suit without giving them any room to negotiate doesn’t make you seem all that reasonable.
[10:07] JC Hill: look at it from my point of view as well you try this is a bank and you go to jail
[10:08] JC Hill: SL is real business
[10:08] JC Hill: real people
[10:08] JC Hill: skills sounds like a nice guy
[10:08] JC Hill: but the issue here is the direct copybot
[10:09] JC Hill: ive layout my work over his the pieces fit
[10:10] JC Hill: people or hackers constantly try to hack and design tools to rip designers off the day the scripts get hacked it wil be the begining of the end for SL
[10:10] JC Hill: this is no different
[10:13] Eric Commons: Well, its my understanding that she offered to give you the money from the few copies that were sold. Why not just take that money, have her take that off the market and let it go? Just keep an eye on her just in case…
[10:14] Eric Commons: I’m not saying let her steal, but just call out that there was a problem, deal with it quickly in-world and not destroy someone’s in-world persona with LL bans?
[10:14] JC Hill: its not that
[10:14] JC Hill: its the fact that thats all people do
[10:14] JC Hill: ive have a no perm fully locked bike stollen already
[10:15] JC Hill: i mean at worse i willpack it in
[10:15] JC Hill: then what
[10:15] JC Hill: move to a new target
[10:15] JC Hill: its a destructive action
[10:16] JC Hill: im thinking of setting up a sim teaching designs
[10:16] JC Hill: not how to use copybot
[10:18] JC Hill: he can thank the fans for it
[10:18] JC Hill: i was told by a radom customer
[10:18] JC Hill: thats how i found out
[10:20] Eric Commons: I understand being frustrated and mad, but I still think you’re overreacting. The issue isn’t that ‘if I let one slide then they’ll all come after me” but its on par with traditional copyright issues. Its similar to a full blown court battle versus an out of court settlement. Instead of working out a problem quitely you seem to intentionally be blowing it up into a bigger problem of you against a world of griefers and thiefs.
[10:22] JC Hill: i dont think so i feel this will be set as an example for anyone else that get funny ideas
[10:22] JC Hill: im sure if i went to your place and robbed you the first thing youd do is call the cops
[10:22] JC Hill: not negociate with the robber
[10:24] Eric Commons: Just so you know I’m not some random stranger, but also a fellow SL creator I’ve actually ended up in a SL lawsuit with a client stealing my build that was valued at US$30k. I understand the feeling of getting robbed, but L$17k isn’t something to fight this much over, especially when the individual involved is truely sorry and willing to reimburse you.
[10:25] JC Hill: yeah its not the money thing
[10:25] JC Hill: its just that im fed up with the crapt that goes on here
[10:26] JC Hill: there is a red bike from these 2 charaters tes and Sussan
[10:26] JC Hill: same deal
[10:26] JC Hill: this isnt the first time
[10:33] Eric Commons: Alright, I can tell this conversation could last awhile. I just wanted to see both sides since I like your work but I’ve also worked with Skills on builds and find her to be a valuable and skilled person. Would hate to see either of you give up on SL over some easily solvable dispute.
[10:34] JC Hill: i feel there has to be a penalty for his actions at this point im putting DMCA on hold
[10:35] JC Hill: Im not sure if the other parts of the vehicle came from him but he has an eye for design
[10:36] JC Hill: im sure he will be back as an other character at some point if worse comes to worse
[10:36] JC Hill: how i see it it im inocent to any of this i was minding my own business someone came and told me and this is where we are
[10:39] Eric Commons: Well, LL blocked the main account, apparently returned all in-world items and has closed all the model bots accounts that she had set up in her shop. If she can’t ever get back into that account this has already cost her a couple thousand in US$ with all that was in her L$ balance and inventory items.
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HL IS AGAINST THAT KIND OF BEHAVIOUR- AS SHOWN ABOVE- THAT CONSISTS OF MAKING A VICTIM FEEL GUILTY ABOUT TAKING LEGAL ACTION WITH A DMCA.
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IN THE FOLLOWING TEXT: Skills Hax acknowledges of copyboting and selling the copyboted items she stole from JC Hill :

Hello JC this is Skills
i wanted to say that I am truly sorry about what happened. I adore and respect your designs like i said on the few occasions we met and really mean it. I have never given out any of your other creations and usually strictly comply with the rules.
I would have removed the parts from my product if you told me to when we met, i was happy to see
you seemed to be ok with the design of the ship i had for sale.
Since My account on SL has been locked out, i have lost all my work, builds, scripts, textures, 50,000 L$ inworld and 15,000 inventory items worth over 200,000 L$ i guess, all my land, i cant see my wife and friends . I am really going through hell here, all my designs and big parts of me are in sl.
im am honest and willing to pay you any amount of money for compensation PLUS the sales I made with my product (its out only 4 days, so only 11 sold so far = 17,600), I will take the HVT off market as soon as possible (can’t access my account at the moment), I already told cinndreia to tell the owners to remove my 4 vendors and they are doing it as I write this. I will delete all the offending objects, i have learned my lesson. Once again I am sorry if my actions have caused you grief and harm for that was not my intent.
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SKILLS INTENT WAS TO MAKE MONEY WITH THE ITEMS SHE COPYBOTED FROM AN EXCELLENT DESIGNER, LUCKY ENOUGH SHE GOT CAUGHT SOON ENOUGH AND DIDN’T HAVE THE TIME TO SELL MORE. - SOME OF THE ITEMS SHE COPIED FROM JC HILL ARE STILL IN HER INSILICO SIMS TOO.
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We really didn’t want to come to this point, we thought that we would not be harrassed on insilico’s website with some rather pathetic xenophobic calomnious attempts to lower our artistic credibility and integrity. We ask people who criticized us for leaving insilico sims to remove their comments based on the fact that they didn’t know what is really going on.
As a record label, we have a strong experience with being copied and distributed without getting any money from it in spite of our hard work, we will never associate ourselves with copyboters and we already have lost 300usd moving fees in this pathetic story, as a non profit organisation HL is here to help artists broadcast their work since 1998, our credibility as producers implies that we don’t cooperate with copyboters.
end of the story and stop harrassing us calling us unprofessional based on the fact we don’t want to work with the wrong people.
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